Hi All,

I am very new to windows development and am working on a project developing 
an application for mobile devices. We are trying to design our application 
using the MVC framework and came across Microsofts UIP Application Block as 
an implementation of this.  

I have two questions about this;

1) Is UIP still used and active? The reason I ask this is because on the 
msdn site 
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag/html/uipab.asp> 
it mentions that it has been "...decided to archive this content to allow us 
to streamline our latest content offerings on our main site and keep it 
focused on the newest, most relevant content." Does this mean it is no longer 
the "newest, most relevant" implementation of MVC from MS's viewpoint?

2) If UIP is still used, is it typically used for .NET CF? If not is there 
some more lightweight MVC implementation that is typically used with CF? 

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

Hi Chris,

Take a look at my blog:

http://blogs.msnd.com/priozersk

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"Chris M" <Chris M@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
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> Hi All,
>
> I am very new to windows development and am working on a project 
> developing
> an application for mobile devices. We are trying to design our application
> using the MVC framework and came across Microsofts UIP Application Block 
> as
> an implementation of this.
>
> I have two questions about this;
>
> 1) Is UIP still used and active? The reason I ask this is because on the
> msdn site
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag/html/uipab.asp>
> it mentions that it has been "...decided to archive this content to allow 
> us
> to streamline our latest content offerings on our main site and keep it
> focused on the newest, most relevant content." Does this mean it is no 
> longer
> the "newest, most relevant" implementation of MVC from MS's viewpoint?
>
> 2) If UIP is still used, is it typically used for .NET CF? If not is there
> some more lightweight MVC implementation that is typically used with CF?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> 

For those non-dislexic....
I can't spell either:
http://blogs.msdn.com/priozersk/

"Alex Yakhnin - MSFT"  wrote in message 
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> Hi Chris,
>
> Take a look at my blog:
>
> http://blogs.msnd.com/priozersk
>
> ---
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no 
> rights.
>
>
>
> "Chris M" <Chris M@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
> news:E194A4F5-F7AE-427E-A65C-294A2FB63FC0@microsoft.com...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am very new to windows development and am working on a project 
>> developing
>> an application for mobile devices. We are trying to design our 
>> application
>> using the MVC framework and came across Microsofts UIP Application Block 
>> as
>> an implementation of this.
>>
>> I have two questions about this;
>>
>> 1) Is UIP still used and active? The reason I ask this is because on the
>> msdn site
>> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag/html/uipab.asp>
>> it mentions that it has been "...decided to archive this content to allow 
>> us
>> to streamline our latest content offerings on our main site and keep it
>> focused on the newest, most relevant content." Does this mean it is no 
>> longer
>> the "newest, most relevant" implementation of MVC from MS's viewpoint?
>>
>> 2) If UIP is still used, is it typically used for .NET CF? If not is 
>> there
>> some more lightweight MVC implementation that is typically used with CF?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>
> 

LOL, thanks Harry.

-Alex

"Harry Simpson"  wrote in message 
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> For those non-dislexic....
> I can't spell either:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/priozersk/
>
> "Alex Yakhnin - MSFT"  wrote in message 
> news:OzOIVr03HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Take a look at my blog:
>>
>> http://blogs.msnd.com/priozersk
>>
>> ---
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no 
>> rights.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris M" <Chris M@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
>> news:E194A4F5-F7AE-427E-A65C-294A2FB63FC0@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am very new to windows development and am working on a project 
>>> developing
>>> an application for mobile devices. We are trying to design our 
>>> application
>>> using the MVC framework and came across Microsofts UIP Application Block 
>>> as
>>> an implementation of this.
>>>
>>> I have two questions about this;
>>>
>>> 1) Is UIP still used and active? The reason I ask this is because on the
>>> msdn site
>>> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnpag/html/uipab.asp>
>>> it mentions that it has been "...decided to archive this content to 
>>> allow us
>>> to streamline our latest content offerings on our main site and keep it
>>> focused on the newest, most relevant content." Does this mean it is no 
>>> longer
>>> the "newest, most relevant" implementation of MVC from MS's viewpoint?
>>>
>>> 2) If UIP is still used, is it typically used for .NET CF? If not is 
>>> there
>>> some more lightweight MVC implementation that is typically used with CF?
>>>
>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

Hi Alex (or anyone else who cares to respond),

Thanks for your link (we got there in the end :) ). That looks pretty much 
identical to our design as it currently stands. Given we haven't used C# 
before though, it is good to see an example in C#. 

With regards to UIP, do you happen to know if it is still supported or used 
on .NET CF? 

Also, one question I have on your design is your use of a ControllersCache. 
We were planning on using an Abstract Factory. This isn't just for the sake 
of using yet another pattern, but because we may want to support a different 
UI for different platform (ie. WIN32). Would the use of an Abstract Factory 
be considered overkill in your opinion? I personally don't see that it would 
have much of a performance overhead, but I am interested to hear your 
thoughts.

Thanks again for your reply.

Chris

"Alex Yakhnin - MSFT" wrote:


> LOL, thanks Harry.
> 
> -Alex

Hi Chris,


> With regards to UIP, do you happen to know if it is still supported or 
> used
> on .NET CF?


The P&P team had ported Composite UI Application Block to .NET CF. This is 
the only port I am aware of.


> Also, one question I have on your design is your use of a 
> ControllersCache.
> We were planning on using an Abstract Factory. This isn't just for the 
> sake
> of using yet another pattern, but because we may want to support a 
> different
> UI for different platform (ie. WIN32). Would the use of an Abstract 
> Factory
> be considered overkill in your opinion? I personally don't see that it 
> would
> have much of a performance overhead, but I am interested to hear your
> thoughts.


My implementation is just a simplified sample to show the MVC pattern, so 
you are free to extend or modify it as you like. I think Abstract Factory 
would work just fine in this case, since it would do essentially the same 
(aside from caching) what my code's doing.

-Alex


"Chris M"  wrote in message 
news:36DD3D47-0619-46FD-82FA-B0F1243C3C78@microsoft.com...

> Hi Alex (or anyone else who cares to respond),
>
> Thanks for your link (we got there in the end :) ). That looks pretty much
> identical to our design as it currently stands. Given we haven't used C#
> before though, it is good to see an example in C#.
>
> With regards to UIP, do you happen to know if it is still supported or 
> used
> on .NET CF?
>
> Also, one question I have on your design is your use of a 
> ControllersCache.
> We were planning on using an Abstract Factory. This isn't just for the 
> sake
> of using yet another pattern, but because we may want to support a 
> different
> UI for different platform (ie. WIN32). Would the use of an Abstract 
> Factory
> be considered overkill in your opinion? I personally don't see that it 
> would
> have much of a performance overhead, but I am interested to hear your
> thoughts.
>
> Thanks again for your reply.
>
> Chris
>
> "Alex Yakhnin - MSFT" wrote:
>
>> LOL, thanks Harry.
>>
>> -Alex
>